Grand Jury Evidence, Rules, Indictments
April 1st, 2009
Evidence
Legal scholars of the Anglo-American tradition, have long regarded evidence as being of central importance to the law.
In every jurisdiction based on the English common law tradition, evidence must conform to a number of rules and restrictions to be admissible. Evidence must be relevant — that is, it must directed at proving or disproving a legal element.
Types of Evidence
1) Physical Evidence — such as in a murder case where the weapon has the person’s fingerprints all over it. The list of physical items that can point to a crime are almost endless. If you can touch it, feel it or smell it, this might be considered physical evidence.
2) Written Evidence — really, it’s same as physical evidence, but fun to talk about — the Court loves written evidence. Things like contracts, wills, birth certificates, documents — You get the picture; written evidence is a piece of paper that can be used as evidence against the accused.
By the way, for those of you that don’t know, the defendant, is the accused. This is the person that the Grand Jury is charged with making presentments or an indictment against.
3) Witnesses — In systems of proof based on the English common law tradition, almost all evidence must be sponsored by a witness, who has sworn or solemnly affirmed to tell the truth.
Today all persons are presumed to be qualified to serve as witnesses in trials and other legal proceedings, and all persons are also presumed to have a legal obligation to serve as witnesses if their testimony is sought. In simple terms: if a person’s testimony is relevant, he has an obligation to testify.
However, restrictions can sometimes apply to witnesses. Good examples are: the marital secrets privilege, the adverse spousal testimony privilege, the attorney-client privilege, the doctor-patient privilege, the psychotherapist-patient and counselor-patient privilege, the state secrets privilege and the clergy-penitent privilege.
Witness competence rules are legal rules that specify circumstances under which persons are ineligible to serve as witnesses. For example, neither a judge nor a juror is competent to testify in a trial in which they are serving in that capacity.
Grand Juries may call upon witnesses to testify. If the jury can interview a person that was witness to a crime, you have some serious stuff happening. But that doesn’t mean you MUST have a witness physically present to actually question him about evidence. Maybe you can listen to a recording, or read written testimony, or visit by telephone with such a witnesses. Remember, the Grand Jury’s job is to determine if there is enough credible evidence to indict or not indict. That is all they do. The Grand Jury does not try a case. That is the job of the Court.
4) Evidence that the defendant lied — Lies, on their own, are not sufficient evidence of a crime. However, lies may indicate that the defendant knows he is guilty, and the prosecution may rely on the fact that the defendant has lied alongside other evidence.
5) Hearsay — Hearsay literally means information gathered by the first person from a second person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience. When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. Confusing to many people, hearsay is simply “second hand” information. Generally speaking, a Grand Jury can use and listen to hearsay if they feel it may be relevant.
6) Circumstantial evidence — Evidence of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. Circumstantial evidence can actually be quite credible in court cases. Examples: The introduction of a defendant’s fingerprints or DNA sample are examples of circumstantial evidence. The fact that a defendant had a motive to commit a crime is circumstantial evidence.
Rules
Rules for Grand Juries can vary from State to State but the Federal rules, of course, are consistent. If you are trying to form a Grand Jury for the sole purpose of indicting a local citizen then you would probably want to research your State’s rules.
Lets assume for right now the Grand Jury you are organizing wants to go after a national figure, someone that has broke the law and nobody at the Federal prosecutor’s office is calling for heads to roll. Concerned citizens have every right under the Constitution to proceed with their own Grand Jury investigation.
Let me suggest something here. It is a pet peeve of mine. Don’t allow a Federal prosecutor to intimidate you if are involved with a Grand Jury. As mentioned earlier, these attorneys will sometimes try and make a Grand Jury their step-child. That is the crux of the problem with Government today. You have every right to organize a Grand Jury and, if need be, to politely tell the Prosecutor to please let the jury do its job without interference.
Now, that being said, never look a gift horse in the mouth. If you have local DA’s, Sheriffs or Police Officials that are favorable to your cause, then by all means, allow them to help you. But politics is politics. When a national or public figure is involved in an investigation chances are the Federal boys may not be so happy with your Grand Jury venture. So be careful, but remind the Federal people, in a nice way, to respect your rights.
Okay, here are some basic rules.
Number one, the Grand Jury investigation is a secret affair. That means you don’t open the Grand Jury to the public. The members that are sworn in as jurors together with support staff such as recorders, stenographers, intepreters, transcribers must never disclose a matter before a Grand Jury hearing. The reason is simple. The Grand Jury needs to protect the integrity of the investigation. When you hand an indictment to a Prosecutor you do not tip your hand to the defendant by divulging information or evidence. The Prosecutor needs all the power of secrecy so he can mount the best case possible with the evidence that the Grand Jury will hand over to him. Bottom line, if you are involved with a Grand Jury, keep your mouth shut outside of the hearing.
Rules provide for the Grand Jury to be aggressive. What does that mean? Persons appearing before the grand jury enjoy few procedural rights. The public prosecutor is not obligated to present exculpatory evidence, and the witness has no right to do so. The accused cannot confront and cross‐examine his accusers. No warnings are required regarding self‐incrimination. The likelihood of a criminal prosecution need not be pointed out. The protection against double jeopardy does not apply to grand jury proceedings. Hearsay evidence may be taken into account and the exclusionary rule does not apply. Although a witness may ask leave to step outside for consultation, he has no right to be advised by his attorney in the grand jury room.
WOW! Are you getting the picture? The Grand Jury can be somewhat ruthless when trying to pry information from witnessess with regard to a criminal investigation.
The qualifications for grand jury service generally include citizenship, the ability to read and write English, mental soundness, and minimum‐age and residency requirements. The size of most federal grand juries is twenty‐three. Sixteen grand jurors constitute a quorum; twelve must agree to issue an indictment. The term of service typically is from three to eighteen months but can be extended. The Federal Jury Selection and Service Act of 1968 requires grand jurors to be drawn at random from a fair cross‐section of the community, without attention to race, color, religion, sex, national origin, or economic status.
In summary, the rules governing grand jury proceedings are very different from those governing trials by (petit) jury. The public is not admitted to hearings, and witnesses can be compelled to testify. The procedure is inquisitorial rather than adversarial: the defense is not allowed to call witnesses, and the prosecutor is not obliged to present both sides of the case. Hearsay and other evidence that might be excluded at a jury trial may be introduced in a Grand Jury room.
Some States do not use the Grand Jury metod of indictment anymore, in part because they were perceived as prone to either prosecutorial domination or abuse of their investigatory role. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, however, guarantees a grand jury inquiry to anyone accused in federal court of a capital “or otherwise infamous” (i.e., a felony) crime.
Indictments
In the common law legal system, an indictment is a formal accusation that a person has committed a criminal offense.
Traditionally an indictment was handed up by a grand jury, which returned a “true bill” if it found cause to make the charge, or “no bill” if it did not find cause. Most common law jurisdictions (EXCEPT for much of the United States) have abolished grand juries.
That previous statment applies to places like Canada, Australia, England, etc. The United States is the last bastion where prescribed law uses the Grand Jury system.
Why is the United States the only Nation as such that uses the Grand Jury system? It is very easy to answer. It is because we are a Free Nation and the Bill of Rights 5th Amendment under the Constitution protects us as follows:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury…
We have the right in this country to be judged by a jury of our peers and we cannot be charged with a major criminal offense UNLESS a jury of our peers hands down “presentments” or an indictment against us. The 5th Amendment is incredibily powerful. It is also the reason we need to use it before we lose it. Already the Grand Jury system in the United States is considered by many the “puppet” of the Court Prosecutor. But the truth of the matter is that the Constitution makes it perfectly clear that it is NOT. The Grand Jury trumps the Prosecutor with the ultimate law of the land. The Grand Jury is truly the Fourth Branch of the Government.
Our Founding Fathers were pretty smart, weren’t they?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Please send me contact info so that I can join and pass this info.on to others…. Please feel free to coantact me anytime…
April 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I have a question. If a US Attorney refuses to prosecute an indictment, what happens then? Can the Grand Jury appoint a “Special Prosecutor”? JUst what happens when every court and every government official refuses to accept the Grand Jury? What, go to the SCOTUS? Then what if they turn you down? Do you deputize Barny Fife to go after Obama? Believe me, I support your cause but we already know that our officials are corrupt and won’t help us. Can the Grand Jury declare war on the US Government?
April 25th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
iwould like to join in this grand jury
Michael,
I will send you an application by email..
Bob
May 2nd, 2009 at 2:12 am
As I understand it, when the Grand Jury makes an accusation without a bill of indictment from the prosecuting attorney, that is a presentment. However, the defendant is not required to answer it until the proper court authority makes an indictment. Who is the proper court authority and what remedy is available to the Grand Jury if that authority refuses to write the indictment?
~~~~~~~~~ Reply by American Grand Jury ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ann,
You are correct — we can file our indictment (which our paperwork will be formally ready to file sometime next week) with ANY court in the land. That is what we will do, move forward, most with filings in State jurisdictions — which I believe is best place to file anyway, the judicictions that are closest to the people. Whoever wants to file the indictment can. Yes, Obama doesn’t have to answer until a court indicts or supeonas him. Will the court do this? They had better or the complete judicial system begins to fail in the minds of the people. The people will look at the court and say, “you have no right to reject the Constitution and us.” This of couse is a classic, maybe a “romantic” answer but if you think about it, it is very true. Our judicial system is really the envy of the world. If that judiciary begins to take orders from the Executive or the Legislature and ignore the people, all hell is going to break lose. This will be a “numbers” game. The more indictments that are filed, the better. The more Constitutional Grand Juries that are convened, the better. The people NEED TO and MUST get involved with this movement or I feel we will lose this country to the people who only use the Constitution as long as they can circumvent it and or flaunt their anger at it!
My editorial for the day — very nice question. Thank you for your comment.
Bob Campbell
American Grand Jury
May 2nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
“This will be a “numbers” game.” (Bob Campbell)
Right on the dot Bob! This is what I’ve been telling people since the beginning, but no one seems to believe me. Most Americans still have too much faith in their judicial system; it is hard for them to realize the level of corruption, apathy and indifference that is occurring in your country.
The 3 branches of your government will only react if they realize that people are against them; otherwise they will try to get away with murder. They believe that they are above the law and that they can ignore your Constitution, since people are ignorant of the power of “We the people”.
When there will be MILLIONS of people behind that issue, they will have no other choice but to act on it. I have quoted Bob Dylan’s song here on this issue, but I will quote it again because it is so relevant:
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway
Don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There’s a battle outside
And it is ragin’
It’ll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin’.
The Fourth Branch of the government, the “Grand Jury”, is the tool that your Founding Father gave you to readdress grievances against corruption of your public officials. You better use it now before you lose that right. It might come sooner than you think if millions of Americans do not wake up now.
This morning I have received an email from a friend that stated that:
“When the onset of President Obamas’ dictatorship is finally complete and obvious to even the most disinterested observer, Americans will have to take comfort in the fact that we have only gotten what we deserve”.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I am in Massachusetts and would like to join or help make a Grand Jury.
I want this country to go back to its roots.
Jim Barrus
May 4th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
IT`S ABOUT TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP AGAINST THIS WANT TO BE CHAVEZ. IF WE DON`T STOP THEM HERE HE AND HIS ASSOCIATIATES IN CRIME AND FRAUD , ESPECIALLY ROHM EMMANUEL , WE WILL BE FACING A DICTATORSHIP WITH NO FREE SPEECH TO FIGHT WITH . WE STILL HAVE SOME PATRIOTS IN THIS COUNTRY.
May 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
When I read the Constitution I find that if the prosecutor refuses to file an indictment the Grand Jury can have the accused held on their presentment alone. I emphasize the “OR” in this Constitutional right! The question is held by whom? Is this part of the role of militia? If so, we need to start joining, calling upon or forming militia, and quick. if you can find any history on this subject please let me know and I’ll be checking myself.
Thanks,
freebornpatriot
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury…
May 9th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
So, the National Grand Jury indicts Obama by means of an online hearing. How does he actujally get convicted or arrested? Won’t he and his cronies just ignor this as they have the law suits?
May 9th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
The presentment for Treason, if ignored by the Judiciary, will have what kind of result? If the courts refuse to indict, in spite of that choice appearing to be very unwise, what is our recourse? Who would have the ability to arrest a sitting president, regardless of his holding the office illegitimately? Someone suggested militia. Would it fall to the military to arrest the president if the courts won’t indict? And if that were to be our only recourse, would it be wise to open that can of worms?
I would like to see this movement grow exponentially, and hope that sheer numbers give weight to our presentments.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Reply by AGJ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John, you answered your own question.. Obama’s illegality and treason status will ONLY be answered by sheer numbers getting onboard.. it is happening and the vision is there.. we need the States to sign on to this movement, not the Feds.. the States and “we the people” have the ultimate power. If the Feds continue to attack the States and their Constitutional rights the tide will soon be turning on Federal power.. I am convinced THAT is where we are headed. Obama can’t fight all of us.. The Grand Jury movement gives the people strength and power against Goverment abuse and corruption.
Thanks for your comment,
Bob
May 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Bob,
I love it when a plan comes together!
In the short time since I became involved with American Grand Jury I’ve witnessed exponential growth in the movement. I commend you sir for your thoughtful insight in creating AGJ and your commitment to its success. You and all involved with AGJ are true Patriots and Great Americans.
Buaidh no bas! Mac
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” C.S. Lewis
May 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I have a question, are any of the Senators or Govenors aboard, if not how can we get them aboard?
Surely there are some in high polictical positions that want to help this great nation and it’s people.
May 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
What happens to Obama after he is brought before a Federal judge and chanrged with TREASON and Election Fraud what happens then? ? Does anyone know what event will follow ? ?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I read your letter about “American Grand Jury ‘presentments’ are formalized.” What is the next step for me to present it to my local Sheriff, with whom I’ve communicated?
Thank you!
In Liberty,
Al Moore
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reply by AGJ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Al,
Thanks for your interest in serving the papers with your Sheriff.. I will send an email to you shortly.. please repond with your address and we will mail immediately. If you would like the “presentments” email to you we can do that too. You can simply print from the original files.
Regards,
Bob Campbell
May 14th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
NO_BAMA: The answer to your question is dancing in the streets and free ice cream for everyone!
May 17th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I have a Federal Courthouse within two miles of me. I would gladly take presentments their in person. I don’t see what good it would do to take them to the local sheriffs.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Will there be a Maryland Grand Jury?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Thank-you for everything that you are doing….As a first generation AMERICAN I thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!!!My parents would be rolling over in their graves if they knew what was happening to their adopted and much loved Country!!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
What proof do you have that obama was not born in america and is in fact illegally here?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
Marilyn, America has been asking Obama to provide the proof — his birth cerrificate would settle the matter. Why has he lawered up? He absolutely refuses to provide this simple doc. He’s okay with revealing to the world details which definitely make us less safe (info about interrogation techniques) but he won’t tell the truth about where he was born.
All the evidence points to his birthplace as Nigeria. When he was a teen, he traveled on an Indonesian passport to a country which was strictly off-limits to American citizens. He attended American colleges under foreign student aid-based scholarships. It’s up to him to prove he’s an American. Why won’t he? Andswer: he can’t!
Obama is America’s first illegal-alien affirmative-action pseudo-President. May God save us from Obama’s fascist takeover.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 am
In addition to Obama, we must also start presentments against those corrupt politicans that sit in the Congress. We the People must make a clean sweep of all those that are slowly usurping our freedoms.
Writing protest letters are of no help! They just get filed in their waste paper bin. They have gotten to a point that what we say or do is inconsequential. The longer we wait or delay in taking action the harder it’s going to get the poison out of our country. WE MUST ACT FAST AND SWIFTLY to clean out the house.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 am
We could also start a AGJ in presenting charges against Pelosi for her treacherous remarks at her infamous press conference.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:21 am
Dominik,
After the usurper is kick out of the Oval Office, it will be easy to charge Congress for misprision, because:
No Member of Congress raised a Point of Order before the President of the Senate challenging his qualifications for President when Barack Hussein Obama was declared President elect, thereby committing misprision and failing to perform their sworn duty to uphold Amendment 20 of the U.S. Constitution.
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
In order to sit a grand jury we must pull, at random, from the population. Typically the government notifies individuals of grand jury duty out of a pool of eligible registered voters to pull randomly from, as required by statute.
If I choose to form a “citizen grand jury” in my neck of the woods how can this be satisfied? Do citizens have access to voter roles to pull random voters to fill a grand jury? Please advise.
~~~~~~~~~~ reply by American Grand Jury ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are referring to a Judicial Grand Jury convened by the court.. not the same thing here. We are a Constitutional Grand Jury or a “run-a-way” grand jury.. BIG difference.. we are not subject to procedural rules of the judiciary..
http://americangrandjury.org/history_power.html
Bob
May 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Angie,
I am also interested in a Maryland grand jury.
My e-mail is john2283@verizon.net Let me know if I can help you.
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Can we trust Joe Bin BIDEN Laden This man is Guilty or tereason , money laundering, fraud, aiding and abetting a known Fraud and treasonous senator We need to bring charges of treason against him, Hitelry KKKLinton His Whole admin Need to face multiple charges or treason Money laundering Fraud tax EVASION all of the tax cheats should get 100 years in PRISON I cheat on my taxes and I go to prison Geitner Cheats on his taxes He pays a $5 dollar fines and get a promotion and a $200,000 a year job with the Tin-pot terrorist SHIT-SKIN
take them all Lead them to the gallows for a party!
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
ok ….
Capt Mac says:
May 14, 2009 at 5:54 pm
NO_BAMA: The answer to your question is dancing in the streets and free ice cream for everyone!
I’d like to know what happens to him ….. Will he be sent to prison…He wants GITMO closed so he wont end up there when the truth comes out and he has to RUN AWAY Sending him to prison…that is POINTLESS because Biden will pardon him and reinstate him…..He needs to face a real and devastating punishment , one that makes him piss down his legand wish he were a sheep herder in Kenya instead of the predicament he currently is in now
( What is the end result of being charged and found guilty of a treasonous act when you are a crooked money laundering Fraud of a president )
* Does he face HANGING ( like saddam hussein…His Idol and his Secret mentor…the person who gave him inspiration to behave like a terrorist dictator )
We can’t impeach him because all of our crooked money laundering reps and senate nazis with give him a big hug and drop all of the charges
REWARD HIM with a 70 year term and 4 million for his troubles……
I want him to sit in a prison cell for 900 years and Let the citizens of this country have a bon-fire at his house in chicago( His house is the bon-fire LOL )
May 24th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I too want to be involved with the grand jury send me the paper work as well…..don
May 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Rosalie,
Forget about his lack of a birth certificate. He is a DUAL-CITIZEN, which means that he doesn’t have a mother AND a father that are American citizens. He has stated that his father was a British subject…this fact alone makes him ineligible. This is something he has openly admitted to.
May 28th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
From update by Carl on riseupforfreedom :
Let us review the ramifications of the visit by these SS agents…
First: By NOT arresting either myself or Commander Fitzpatrick they have admitted
BHO’s illigitimacy. The accusation of TREASON, if untrue, can only end in arrest.
Second: By stating “Natural born is a grey area” they again acknowledge he is foreign born and/or a British Citizen at birth.
What this means is that we now have four SS witnesses to the crime of TREASON by this IMPOSTER, THUG, CRIMINAL.
Yes Carl,I do believe you are right,and I guess it just goes to show,if something smells unpleasant,it is best not to stir it ! :o) cheers
May 30th, 2009 at 11:06 am
What about the possibility of presentments against the D.N.C. and leaders of B.HO’s campaign for complicity, fraud or negligence in failing to establish or willfully ignoring his “alleged” (in)eligibility for the office of the President of the united States of America? Aren’t there vetting and reporting/disclosure requirements for candidates regarding nomination and/or petition for entry into elections?
Also, wouldn’t it behoove CHillary, Edwards, et.al. to file in like manner as Allan Keyes, of being individuals with a viable complaint of personal injury by an allegedly ineligible candidate?
(Good people, please do not misconstrue my use of the term, “alleged”, as in my understanding, it is appropriate until such time as a verdict is delivered via due process, regardless of my personal knowledge/bias.)
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
AGJ, Im wondering if your working alongside Dr. Orly Taitz, who is trying to do things just like you to expose Obama to the Sheeple “obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaa, Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaa”
anyway she is a great person and hs over 140 clients as of now with 6 dosseirs on Obama fraud. including she found he has over 100 SS #’s. One of them being 118 years old!. How do you explain that except with fraud and deceit
if you dont already I think you guys should work together to have more power and info to Indict Obama on. Everyone here should also vist her blog
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
she has alot of info on Obama’s fraud
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
forgot to add this-
She has alot of info on Obama’s fraud which is only more hard evidence to Indict Obama. Theres so much evidence to his fraud on this website and her’s that its astounding. With more evidence leads to a better verdict. “not that we need anymore than what we already know”. But still, Everyone should know EVERYTHING about him and his fraud. it needs to come out. To the sheeple most of all. that thier shepard is a fake.
My app is ready and i’ll be mailing it soon! : )
yours in liberty
-Larry
June 8th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I know nothing of this process but am learning a little. I would like to know how I can help.
I often ask myself if I am the only one who recognizes the real mess this country is in.
I thought by voting for change we could start fresh and bring the country back around to its roots. Now I see that we are digging an even bigger whole than we had before.
What is happening to our political system. Our Government has long disconnected to more peaceful ways. They react with bad intent in their quest for control. They have fallen prey to EGO.
May the meek inherit now.
Joey
July 13th, 2009 at 1:56 am
Hey guys, I’m new to all this stuff but like most everyone else here am seriously pissed off at our ruthless and corrupt government. At the heart of it though is fear as I am truly afraid of what is to come should we do nothing as we have done in the past. I didn’t pull my head out of the sand until about 6 months ago but I am now awake and have been almost obsessed with the state of our country since then. I can think of nothing else and I spend every free moment awake or asleep reading, dreaming, researching, brooding, screaming, talking to others, emailing etc….I am being pulled by something larger than any of us to “do something” about it and I feel like maybe this is the ticket; that is getting involved in the American Grand Jury. However, I must say that my belief is still that we are innocent until proven guilty in this country even though it seems today to be just the opposite “guilty until proven innocent”. Maybe it’s just me always trying to be fair in a situation when fairness is too easily forgotten and replaced with retaliation for the injustices we all have suffered. Or maybe we need to remember that bit about innocent until proven guilty lest it be you at the gallows. I am also appalled at Obama’s behavior as much as anyone else but even though he probably doesn’t afford that right to others, he has the right to be tried by a jury of his peers and answer the charges made against him. Just because the Grand Jury decides that they have enough evidence to indict someone, doesn’t mean that that person is automatically guilty. Isn’t that to be determined after he has his chance to be heard in a court of law? Some of you sound like you are on some kind of a mission to “hang” anyone you decide should be indicted or a vendetta. I mean doesn’t it say right there on the Oath of Office that all Grand Jurors must take, state “I shall present no person through prejudice or ill will, nor leave any unpresented through fear or favor, but in all my presentments shall endeavor to present the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”? The truth is what I am seeking here. Because believe me, I have been searched and my property seized without a warrant and without probable cause not too long ago which has resulted in a dominoe affect in my life causing me to not be able to work (no vehicle) which caused me to lose my license to practice occupational therapy causing me to file bankruptcy and currently possibly foreclosure of my home rendering me homeless as I have no family. That’s just the tip of the iceberg and the quick version of the violations I have suffered at the hands of our corrupt government and those in power…there’s so much more. My point is that I have good reason to want to retaliate and punish those who have hurt me by any means I could, legal or not, but I would be no better than they. My country and our sacred constitution are at risk here and that far outweighs any righteousness I feel I am owed.
I’m sorry, I guess I kinda got a little carried away there but boy do I feel better! Sometimes I just want to scream to the world to WAKE UP AMERICA but most of my friends think I’m crazy or it just starts a heated argument whenever I try to talk to them. Even my boyfriend is apathetic to the cause which has only caused distance between us that is growing. Anyway that’s it. Goodnight Irene.
Free Thinkers Forever (FTF)
Kelli
July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I have been searching for a method to fight this usurper since before the election and this site opened my eyes to the inevitable outcome!
My Grandfather served in the military when they still used horses, as did my Father in Korea, I served 6 years in the Regular Army before being awarded an Honorable Discharge and will be joining Major Cooks ranks in this fight as well but also wish to do what I can here.
I agree that there are many in congress that should have charges brought against them also, but this is the first and most important hurdle. Ousting the usurper from office will send a clear message to congress that America is waking up to the rampant corruption in Washington and that they are in the cross hairs!
I am in the process of converting the content on my own web site to reflect this movement as well.
I salute each and every person who joins this battle!
Please send me any information necessary for me to do my part…
Regards,
Robert A. Snyder
1st Armored Division
1/35 Armor CSC
“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. ”
“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.”
Thomas Jefferson
August 1st, 2009 at 11:29 am
Has anyone in Florida started toform a Grand Jury yet ? If so please contact me. I’m with you. jhuntress@bellsouth.net Thanks
August 13th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Dear Bob,
Started last night on my “work” and am looking forward to being a part of this Grand Jury. I have written and called my representatives in Congress on a daily basis and realize they don’t care and would prefer not to be bothered…with the notable exceptions of Sen. Richard Burr (R) and Representative Howard Coble (R). The rest are Democrats and exceptionally rude.
I have read every MSM article and am appalled at the lack of interest in the eligibility issue-the media along with Congress/Scotus/State Judges refuse to be bothered with evidence pointing to BO’s lack of credentials. I find it amazing that he and MO have many SS#’s and many addresses; this has to be connected to fraud and money laundering-but have seen it mentioned no where but the Net. Fox News is the only MSM news to read/watch but even they don’t want to hear facts or investigate. WND is the only reliable source of info into this travesty that is being forced on us.
The citizens/patriots of this country are alone in this fight and you are right-
it will take large numbers of people to force the issue. I urge everyone to take a stand and help make us successful in this fight for our lives.
Determined to prevail,
Carolyn Shaw
August 19th, 2009 at 12:17 am
I would like to join here too
August 19th, 2009 at 12:19 am
I have emailed all of my state representatives about acting upon our Declaration of Independence and getting all of them out.I have also asked them why they are allowing a evil minded man to still be our leader when he is not a US citizen and have yet to get a answer.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I came here with Olympia Snowe on my mind. I am trying to find out if there is someway that we the people of Maine can actually ‘force’ her to obey her oath. Every day she, Susan Collins, Chellie Pingree, and others are leading us in slavery to the nwo. I thought of Olympia as soon as someone mentioned what she did was “treason”.
But you know, this may all be a simple procedure, but it sure is confusing to my 60 year old brain.
Who pays the court cost? The lawyer cost? Whose name goes on the case? Or, who will get the bullet in the back of the head?
Do you have directions for maybe the elementary student? I might be able to understand it better. I am feeling so very stupid right now. Three times reading this info, and I feel like I don’t know a thing.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
I was listening to PatriotsHeart Network the other night when Bob popped in and mentioned how upset he was that he had to explain the presentments so many times. Well Bob, I am very sorry that some of us old folks are new to this, and maybe our brains are not as quick as yours is.
Maybe you can go back to your elementary days and explain it so we’ll all understand it and won’t have to pester you. I love you anyway. I appreciate that you showed me (us) the way to fighting back peacefully.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Bob
I presented Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomes with the inditment, he wouldn’t sign it, but he took it. I all so gave Sheriff Joe Arpio one and he didn’t want it, but he took it. This was on 10/21/02, at a news meeting at the Capitol that they were having on illegal imigration.
Than you
Gordon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Response by AGJ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Gordon. Don’t fret, you did great. These people are running from the truth and you know what happens when you do that? Sooner or later the truth gets exposed. All of these people will be trying to jump onboard one of these days.. typical politicians. When their jobs and votes are on the line they get off their ass.
In defense of Joe Arpio, we have served him maybe 5 or 6 times. The man is so busy and has so many battlefronts to fight it is difficult for him to sign on to a new project.
Take care.. job well done!
Bob
November 29th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I have been spending much of my unemployment days working on my own against Mr. Obama, Mr. Holder, and accompanying legislators primarily in regards to the Declaration & Constitutional violations rabid in this administration especially as represented by HR3200 or 3926 which is HR3200 on steroids.
A retired attorney, Michael Connelly, instructor in Constitutional law and writer in Texas has reviewed HR 3200. His opinion is available at http://www.mrobertc@hotmail.com . My writing is on FB in notes and http://www.pyrrhicchange.blogspot.com
Reading Our Twin Documents almost daily & working with the fifth Amendment - I never connected the significance of the Grand Jury until I read the above!
Our Founders, especially Mr. Washington, were as unique a group of individuals as the writings they left for US(A) to use! Reading, reflecting is a daily, beyonds words revelation which they fully acknowledge occurred with Our Creator. The Founders have identified every member of the present Administration by their individual persona of power, faction, despotism, human nature, mis-use of truth, manipulation of information. Even Party loyalty before Nation as an ethic!
Mr. Campbell, your work with American Grand Jury is very complimentary of my work getting the Declaration & Constitution caught up with ‘We the people’ in or out of elected office anywhere and at every level of government. Isn’t it part of the wonder that the general view of these documents include immaterial, out of date in the popular media, haven’t been taught in school (state law in CA); but it is you & people like me, who have to ‘catch-up’ or ‘wake-up’ the American People!:-)
Only Obama & company are by planned design. The rest is a natural downfall of ‘We the people’ who are just now - sl–ooo–wl–y beginning to awaken to who we are and what we represent to our children - future & to the World. Which,with USA under Obama, now has allowed islamic jihad to return to their goal of world domination without Israel & with a USA.
The 3 hurricaine flags are being waived by your work, Mr. Connelly, someone you may or may not know - Joseph Andrews of http://www.teachconstitution.org. Sen. Paul knows Joseph. I learned-continue to learn the Declaration & Constitution from him.
Right now, I’m coordinating as a Republican Activist to get parts together. Many Independents, others including Republicans did not want The Twin documents & AGJ to be associated with a political party.
Problem is that from the first teaparty, organizers were Republican and it is Our Republican Representatives in Both Houses who are Fighting the majority as often & as hard as they can to slow or stop the siege that has attacked American by this Administration.
Interestingly, it is Article V Obama & company need to directly violate. The corresponding part of the Declaration occurs near the end of the 2nd paragraph: “..absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off…”. Mr Obama & company genuinly believe that winning the election gives him the right to change Our Constitution. It doesn’t! He may be enough of a Constitutional Attorney to know that. The Health Act that isn’t a Health Act at all - is the method, by precedence, Mr Obama means to use to continue his despotic deeds for the next 36 months. It is in Michael Connelly’s H.R1300 at his website. Other evidence abounds, but what is happening in Tenn. Tuesday is part.
Thank you, Cathy West San Marcos, CA
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
A Marvelous Undertaking!! I Join the Effort with Patriotic Pride!!