
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FoxNews
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Breaking news tonight here “On the Record” in the immigration battle. In just hours from now Utah State Representative Steve Sandstrom is unveiling a new immigration law for his state. He says Utah has
become a magnet for illegals. Part of Arizona’s law has been struck down so how is this bill different from Arizona’s?
State Representative Sandstrom joins us. Good evening, sir.
STATE REP. STEPHEN SANDSTROM, R-UTAH: Good evening, Greta. It’s nice to be back on the show.
VAN SUSTEREN: Glad to have you back. Tomorrow you are officially going to unveil the statute. I got a look at it. How is this statute in Utah you are going to introduce to this bill, different from Arizona? Arizona has hit a constitutional hurdle.
SANDSTROM: Well, in many areas that directly mirrors the Arizona legislation. But I would hope that we’ve actually answered the questions and addressed technical issues brought up by Judge Bolton in Arizona and made a better bill I believe will stand constitutional muster and prevail in the 10th circuit court if it gets there.
VAN SUSTEREN: In the bill it says, among other things, this bill requires that an officer “verify the immigration status detained or arrested person upon reasonable suspicion the person is an illegal alien.” What does it mean, “reasonable suspicion”?
SANDSTROM: In Utah you have to have a birth certificate to get a driver’s license. So if somebody does not have a Utah driver’s license or one issued by another state, they do not have proper federal ID or something that identifies they are who say they say they are, that would raise a red flag.
If they then lie to a police officer or they can’t establish where they live, it’s pretty easy to establish reasonable suspicion that this person is in the country illegally. And that’s kind of the basis for a traffic stop.
VAN SUSTEREN: If I get pulled over for speeding and I don’t have a driver’s license, don’t I get pulled in anyway? I can’t demonstrate I have the privilege to drive in your state. I take it you are not going to say we trust your good word. You would pull me in any way.
SANDSTROM: Well, first off, if you have a license from another state, then that would be proof of legal status and you would be fine. Another option would be to simply give a name and address, let the officer call it in and verify you are who you say you are.
One other provision I have in my bill is that if you simply state you are a citizen of the United States of America that that officer has to presume thank you are a citizen or national of this country and must let you go. And that is another key point of the bill that will allow people to kind of get off the hook if you will if you are a U.S. citizen.
VAN SUSTEREN: That is actually a rather considerable difference, is it not, than the Arizona statute.
SANDSTROM: This is something that came about talking with legal experts. Actually it is a felony to state that you are a citizen of the United States if you are not a citizen. And so if the person attempts to lie, and it is my understanding that most illegal aliens know this, then they do not lie about their citizenship status because they know they will get nailed with a felony if they do so.
VAN SUSTEREN: Which is even a bigger problem.
All right, tell me about the illegal immigration problem in your state, how it manifests itself?
SANDSTROM: Right now we have between 130,000 to 150,000 estimated illegal aliens in our state, it is costing well over $100 million a year to educate the children of illegal aliens. We currently have had over 50,000 children here in Utah have their identities stolen by illegal aliens in order to get work, acquire jobs through a stolen Social Security number.
And we found out that usually when Arizona, our neighbor to the south, cracks down on illegal immigration, there is kind of a wave of immigration into our state from Arizona.
VAN SUSTEREN: I’m curious in terms of the cost. Is there any sort of offset for that $100 million to educate? Is there an offset for instance that people who are working having money withheld from their paycheck, and I assume many aren’t bothering to collect it, because to collect they would have to show they are there illegally. Is there an offset?
SANDSTROM: There could very well be some sort of offset, but I don’t know how we would quantify that. There are real costs associated with that.
Studies have shown, though, that the money that people that are here illegally make do not offset the amount of aid they receive through social welfare benefits that they acquire fraudulently that they are not paying enough money into the system for the system in a sense make some money on that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, the illegal immigration enforcement act in the great state of Utah. Tomorrow you will be announcing it formally. Thank you for telling us about it. We’ll watch to see how it does in the courts. Thank you, sir.
SANDSTROM: You’re welcome, Greta, thanks.
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Comment by American Grand Jury:
I like Greta. I think she does a great job of reporting the news.
It is wonderful to see Utah taking the same hard-line stance as Arizona in fighting illegal immigration. I hope they get this law passed in Utah.
Good interview!